[KnucklesSonic8]

Hey mike, it is not obvious that it will be Green Hill. It seems to me like they will gravitate towards something 3D, as they are currently making a lot more 3D games than 2D ones. SSBB inclusion is a MAJOR selling point, which is why I think Sega would have requested a certain THREE-D stage in to sell their games more effectively. Green Hill may be classic, but it really isn't classic Nintendo, which would be the only reason Sakurai would put it in.

I started that thought actually. He was just doing what everyone does best - overanalyzing my posts to find SOME way of making fun of me. But I digress...
My speculations:
SA: Emerald Coast (Orca and everything)/Windy Valley
SA2B: They could take one of the Shooting Battle stages, I'm sure... Lost Colony or a Pyramid level.
SatSR: Levitated Ruin/Pirate Storm [Evil Foundry could work too].
Heroes: Power Plant/Lost Jungle
S06: Wave Ocean [I'd be surprised and VERY ecstatic if it was this but it has a slim chance: EC has a bigger chance]/Crisis City

[Crowbar]

Hey mike, it is not obvious that it will be Green Hill. It seems to me like they will gravitate towards something 3D, as they are currently making a lot more 3D games than 2D ones. SSBB inclusion is a MAJOR selling point, which is why I think Sega would have requested a certain THREE-D stage in to sell their games more effectively. Green Hill may be classic, but it really isn't classic Nintendo, which would be the only reason Sakurai would put it in.

I find this poor reasoning given that Sonic isn't a Nintendo character in the first place.

He's in because fans asked for him to be in, and I'm betting at least as many of those fans will be remembering his classic MD/Gen games as the new 3D ones.

The fact that Sonic's first games released on Nintendo consoles were the newer ones isn't a convincing reason for me. Numerous old-skool Sonic elements are already confirmed to be included (sound-effects, one of his taunts is the figure-8 Super Peelout from Sonic CD). Why would they be in if Sakurai only intended to include new-skool aspects? Sakurai's smarter than that, and knows to appeal to as many possible crowds as is practical.

Sega trying to manipulate it to market their newer games actually sounds half plausible, though. >_>

[Azure]

Green Hill has the best chance of actually being included, since it's the first ever stage, but I am very, very sick of it. I'd rather have something like Windy Valley.

[bertin]

Robotnik Winter!

[P.P.A.]

(...)one of his taunts is the figure-8 Super Peelout from Sonic CD(...)

:O!
:O:O!!
:O:O:O!!!
DO WANT!

[Crowbar]

(...)one of his taunts is the figure-8 Super Peelout from Sonic CD(...)

:O!
:O:O!!
:O:O:O!!!
DO WANT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D533pueDHLc

Does it twice from 0:01 to 0:05. Not exactly identical in terms of his posture but it's undoubtedly a figure-8.

[P.P.A.]

(...)one of his taunts is the figure-8 Super Peelout from Sonic CD(...)

:O!
:O:O!!
:O:O:O!!!
DO WANT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D533pueDHLc

Does it twice from 0:01 to 0:05. Not exactly identical in terms of his posture but it's undoubtedly a figure-8.

<3<3<3

Thanks.

[Stefan]

Hey mike, it is not obvious that it will be Green Hill. It seems to me like they will gravitate towards something 3D, as they are currently making a lot more 3D games than 2D ones. SSBB inclusion is a MAJOR selling point, which is why I think Sega would have requested a certain THREE-D stage in to sell their games more effectively. Green Hill may be classic, but it really isn't classic Nintendo, which would be the only reason Sakurai would put it in.

Why would nintendo gravitate towards something 3d? You have to understand the main reason sonic is wanted in Brawl: Sonic vs Mario in the 2d age. Sonic and Mario were rivals, and games like sonic 2 and smb3 were made in an attempt to win the console war. Sonic and Mario's significance together were because of the 2d, genesis games. That's why mario&sonic at the olympics is coming out! The classic rivalry is still in place today! Sure, once sega flunked on console making, they basically sold out to nintendo for making games, but the main reason is because sonic vs mario is a rivalry of ages, and it almost -is- classic nintendo.

Sakurai is not putting a stage in the game to sell a game. SSBB may be a selling point for retro characters of sorts, but sonic doesn't -need- a selling point. Sonic sells on his own, as games like sonic rivals show. Sonic 3d already sells effectively. Including city escape would simply sell used copies of an old game! Putting in an s06 level would disgrace the franchise because it's not iconic. It's clearly going to be a wellknown, wellremembered, well represented stage. Hi, green hill!

Classic nintendo? What? Sonic isn't classic nintendo, unless you call heroes classic. Sonic is a classic, iconic character with close ties to nintendo. If you're going off classic nintendo, please tell me why Shadow Moses Island mae it in for snake? That's classic sony, not classic nintendo.

And, as crowbar pointed out, sonic himself isn't classic nintendo, so you can't really pick a classic nintendo stage for him.

Finally, his 3d games are hardly classic nintendo themselves, so there's no reason sakurai would put one in on the basis of "classic nintendo", either.

[Upthorn]

Upth: what's your thinking behind Sakurai not choosing an arena from Sega consoles? Those are certainly the most memorable. I'm willing to bet Sakurai throws out Nintendo-exclusivity in favor of significance.

The bottom line is that Sakurai works for Nintendo. The only possible reason they could have for including Sonic is to promote that Sonic is on Nintendo now.
As opposed to promoting, say, the days when Sonic was giving Nintendo a run for its money.

Surely you can understand my thinking.

[Ring Rush]

Hey Stefan, reread my post. I didn't say Sonic was classic Nintendo.

People were saying they'ld put GH in because its classic, and I am saying Sakurai doesn't care nearly as much about classics outside of Nintendo.

And if its going to be a 2D level I'd wager Angel Island, since that spans across S3K, SA(DX), and SAdva. Plus it is a very important location in the Sonic storyline.

[Stefan]

The bottom line is that Sakurai works for Nintendo. The only possible reason they could have for including Sonic is to promote that Sonic is on Nintendo now.
As opposed to promoting, say, the days when Sonic was giving Nintendo a run for its money.

Surely you can understand my thinking.

Or, you know, include a classic character well associated with mario in the console battle? Surely your logic doesn't work for Solid Snake; They aren't promoting that Snake is on Nintendo now. He's on PS3 and ONLY PS3. It's not because they're promoting a ps3 exclusive game, is it? The reason they included sonic is that he was VERY popular, is a classic character, is on nintendo systems now, and is probably the character that is most commonly portrayed "in battle" with mario, besides maybe bowser.

You can't think the only reason characters are in is to promote, can you? The ice climbers haven't had a new game in a very long time. Neither has Pit. Does this mean Sakurai included them to promote the characters? No! He included them because they are popular, classic characters associated with nintendo that would be fun to fight others with.

Sonic isn't different. Aside from being sega, that is.

Hey Stefan, reread my post. I didn't say Sonic was classic Nintendo.

You said "it won't be 2d because 2d isn't classic nintendo". You still, however, pushed 3D. The implication that you very clearly made was that "3d sonic does not fall prey to the logic of "since it's not classic nintendo, it won't be in" because I'm promoting it. As such, it clearly has to fall into the opposite logic "sonic 3d is classic nintendo".

All I'm saying is that if you make the claim that "things that aren't classic nintendo can't be in brawl", you have to apply it to all parts. As such, 3d sonic is ALSO out. In fact, sonic in general won't be in the game! He's not classic nintendo!

But that's wrong. so yeah.

[Ring Rush]

Sakurai puts in mainstream stuff (Ike, Snake, etc.), with the one exception being classic nintendo (Ice Climbers, Pit, etc.)

Here he is putting in something mainstream (Sonic), but he probably won't put in GH. Its not in the current games, and its not the one exception of classic Nintendo.

[KnucklesSonic8]

Aw, sweet. Intense discussion and debating ftw!

And yeah, consistently using (was gonna say re-hash but thats not all true) GH is wearing on me a bit. I could see a Casino stage being very likely.

[Stefan]

Sakurai puts in mainstream stuff (Ike, Snake, etc.), with the one exception being classic nintendo (Ice Climbers, Pit, etc.)

Here he is putting in something mainstream (Sonic), but he probably won't put in GH. Its not in the current games, and its not the one exception of classic Nintendo.

Lucas isn't mainstream or classic nintendo. Just thought I'd let it be known.

I don't see why in the world GH wouldn't be in? Why would the most iconic, clear, and noticeable sonic stage NOT GO IN to pave the way for a lesser stage from a less iconic game just because it's 3d and on a nintendo system?

RR You miss the point. You dismiss the suggestion of green hill as being "not classic nintendo", and then go on to say 3d sonic can be in. 3d sonic isn't classic nintendo, either. I don't see why an argument can apply only to 2d? If you're pointing out a flaw in a suggestion while at the same time pushing a suggestion with the SAME FLAW, why is your argument valid?

[ieatatsonic]

Hey mike, it is not obvious that it will be Green Hill. It seems to me like they will gravitate towards something 3D, as they are currently making a lot more 3D games than 2D ones. SSBB inclusion is a MAJOR selling point, which is why I think Sega would have requested a certain THREE-D stage in to sell their games more effectively. Green Hill may be classic, but it really isn't classic Nintendo, which would be the only reason Sakurai would put it in.

If I recall, there is a 3-d version of Green Hill in SA(B)2. It's only unlockable by getting an A on all missions. The only person on TSC I've known to unlock it is SM, though I wouldn't be suprised if someone else here has unlocked it(isn"t there an AR code that allows you to unlock it?).

[Crowbar]

If I recall, there is a 3-d version of Green Hill in SA(B)2. It's only unlockable by getting an A on all missions. The only person on TSC I've known to unlock it is SM, though I wouldn't be suprised if someone else here has unlocked it(isn"t there an AR code that allows you to unlock it?).

Um, we know? You also posted something rather painfully obvious in a different thread as if we wouldn't know it (SM's SA2 glitch videos). I think you should be more aware of the audience you're posting at here.

[EDIT] lol I just saw your reply in the MILES POWER topic. Just change your name to Captain Obvious already. :P

[Magnezone]

Paragod has the record but didn't unlock it?! I guess that means the other 55 people that are competing on that level didn't unlock it either?!

WE MUST BAN THEM ALL FOR ALL OF THESE LIES

[Stefan]

All a's are very easy to get . :(

[KnucklesSonic8]

They're not THAT easy. I just unlocked it last year after, what, 4 years I've had the game... shamefully. XD

[ieatatsonic]

If I recall, there is a 3-d version of Green Hill in SA(B)2. It's only unlockable by getting an A on all missions. The only person on TSC I've known to unlock it is SM, though I wouldn't be suprised if someone else here has unlocked it(isn"t there an AR code that allows you to unlock it?).

Um, we know? You also posted something rather painfully obvious in a different thread as if we wouldn't know it (SM's SA2 glitch videos). I think you should be more aware of the audience you're posting at here.

[EDIT] lol I just saw your reply in the MILES POWER topic. Just change your name to Captain Obvious already. :P

I have officially now started a grudge against you.

[Selphos]

More like you have officially just failed.

[Waxwings]

If I recall, there is a 3-d version of Green Hill in SA(B)2. It's only unlockable by getting an A on all missions. The only person on TSC I've known to unlock it is SM, though I wouldn't be suprised if someone else here has unlocked it(isn"t there an AR code that allows you to unlock it?).

Um, we know? You also posted something rather painfully obvious in a different thread as if we wouldn't know it (SM's SA2 glitch videos). I think you should be more aware of the audience you're posting at here.

[EDIT] lol I just saw your reply in the MILES POWER topic. Just change your name to Captain Obvious already. :P

I have officially now started a grudge against you.

*insert lame serious business image macro here*

[ieatatsonic]

By the way Crowbar, are you happy!?!?!?!?

[Stefan]

It had to be done.

[sonic ice]

I think it should be in Casino Night from Sonic the Hedgehog 2.

[Selphos]

NECROMANCE'D

[KnucklesSonic8]

I agree. Casino Night all the way. But I don't think that would be the stage, really.

[ChaoRC]

=D

[Rick_242]

Where the hell is the spoiler warning in that post.

[Groudon]

Watching the footage again, I know for sure the GHZ stage in the intro is a SSE stage and not unlockable for Brawl mode.